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Socialism VS Capitalism?
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Sen. Bernie Sanders' "Medicare for all" plan would increase government health care spending by $32.6 trillion over 10 years, according to a study by a university-based libertarian policy center. That's trillion with a "T."
The latest plan from the Vermont independent would require historic tax increases as government replaces what employers and consumers now pay for health care, according to the analysis being released Monday by the Mercatus Center at George Mason University in Virginia. It would deliver significant savings on administration and drug costs, but increased demand for care would drive up spending,
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Politicians are cretins and a scrounge upon the people. If someone could really tell me what they know that would pertain to something of substance but it ain't there.
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Definition of a larger amount of resources might help your point stand in a weak position
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No need for trying to convince me socialism is communism that is a mute point.
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Socialism must be a better option for you.
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Fallacy without question. Lacking knowledge has it's advantages does it not.
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Admission of failure on your part is a fallacy. With your supposed conditions government programs are in place.
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Did i remember this you need your check. The check you need comes from whom.
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Playing victim is a crutch and not helping yourself with the self described disabilities you have shows you want no help.
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In socialism, the ruling elite already has all the wealth of the nation in their hands. Even in the worst case scenario of a perfectly corrupt capitalist ruling elite, it still cannot possibly accumulate 100% of the nation resources - while for socialist governments, it is the core of the design.
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My dear, you are incredibly naive if you think that in any political system the government is not managed by selfish people hoarding wealth. Capitalism just makes it much more difficult for them to succeed at that, while in socialism the system is designed in a way that essentially turns the state treasury into a VIP-restricted gold mine. I know I will not change your mind, because you come from the position based on emotions and not on raw logic, so logical arguments will not sway you.
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What you have just said is out right ridiculous. Capitalism is not better for everyone else, because capitalism allows those who have all the wealth to have power over everyone else. Socialism is not better for the ruling elite because there is no ruling elite in socialism. Basically the opposite of what you said is true, capitalism is literally built on the assumption that there must be an "elite" class and the majority of people must work for them to "earn" a living. Socialism on the other hand is about giving what is produced back to the producers rather than giving 90% of it to the rich guy who's job is to make money from other people's work.
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There are two glaring problems with your argument, first of all you assume that all socialism is authoritarian in nature when in reality your idea of socialism is not socialism but fascism masked as socialism. You don't understand how socialism is supposed to work because everything you know about socialism is derived from right wing propaganda and from observing bastardized forms of socialism. Also you are trying to tell people that a system that is fundamentally based on hoarding wealth makes it harder to hoard wealth, this is literally insane. Capitalism incentives and rewards those who engage in a Machiavellian battle for profit, whereas socialism is SUPPOSED to reward people for what they actually produce and provide everyone with the basic things they need to be productive (healthcare, education, nutrition etc.)
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"Americanism not Globalism, will be our credo." ~Donald Trump
"A communist is like a crocodile" ~Winston Churchill
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Germany of 30-s competed with the leading nations well in terms of economical productivity, albeit somewhat less so in terms of quality of life. Granted, it did allow a certain level of private enterpreneurship - but a very large sector of the economy was completely socialized.
Of course, there were certain... drawbacks to that regime. But nonetheless, I think socialism under effective management, in theory, can compete in some aspects with advanced capitalist nations. It is the "under effective management" part which is almost never satisfied (and absolutely never long-term) that makes it unviable.
Maybe in the distant future, when the management of entire states can be put into a perfectly designed AI's hands, socialism will be viable long-term. I would not wish to live in such a state, however.
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I'm not going to bother responding to every post because pretty much every post can be countered with "Your opinion is not evidence" but I'll pick out a few:
Weird thing to say when those are actually areas that even the oppressive and in many ways backwards Soviet type regimes did better than Capitalism.
Even according to the CIA Factbook the USA has one of the worst GINI coefficients (measures of inequality) in the world being in about the bottom fifth of measured nations while the USSR's historical GINI puts it among the best nations with regards to ensuring the ruling elite don't prosper to the detriment of the ordinary working guy. That's basic stuff. I mean you could have made actual criticisms of aspects of previous socialist countries which were actual issues like civil liberties, but instead you make up fake claims.
Nice plagarism maybe try writing your own posts next time.
Of course even ignoring the plagarism your source shows the opposite of what you claim.
It's a news article about a report from a libertarian policy centre funded by the far-right Koch brothers - about as biased as you would get. You'd think that would be a red flag, but let's look at what the report actually says because of course who goes off newspaper articles that can say anything rather than looking at studies first hand?
https://www.mercatus.org/system/files/blahous-costs-medicare-mercatus-working-paper-v1_1.pdf ;
Although as it's incredibly biased it headlines the increase in federal spending up front, if you actually look at the findings you'll see that even the study admits (see the table on page 7) that medicare for All would SAVE people money. It increases federal taxes but it decreases personal spending by an even larger amount. In fact the overall change across 10 years would be a 2 TRILLION dollar SAVING to tax payers because the increase is tax is more than made up for the cost savings of no longer having to deal with insurance companies - and that's coming from right-wing, anti-government funded think tanks!refugee said: Claiming something is fallacious without offering any reason why it is fallacious is itself (spoiler alert!)..... a fallacy!
Supporting your claims is the most basic principle of debating. if you're not reachign that low level of debate you're basically on the same level as a child going "my dad could beat your dad up and if you disagree you're a stinky head".
You are a condescending idiot. You have not presented a logical opinion, you've just presented your opinion without a single iota of evidence to back it up. You are ideologically entrenched and relying on youremotional knee-jerk reaction rather than forming anything coherent.
NKJVPrewrather's argument is actually superior to yours because morality is a valid point to raise and one where personal feelings matter, while baseless claims about how and why socialism works aren't true just because you say so.
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